A question concerning the occasional IMPERMANENCE of open tabs in Oxygen projects, when "reopening" those projects.
Dear members of the Oxygen support team and of the user group, I have a question concerning the IMPERMANENCE of open tabs in Oxygen projects. Mor precisely, I am currently working on several ancient texts, for which I am preparing electronic editions (in a progressively changing XML format) and each text has its own project. When I exit Oxygen, I usually leave several tabs open in the currently open project, and I expect to find themselves still open when I restart Oxygen (and I can see that Oxygen reloads the open files, whih can take time because many files are bulky and contain complex structures with possibly tens of thousands of elements. When I switch from one project to another one (using the "Reopen project" in the "Project" menu) I have also come to expect that I shall find the same open tabs as I had left open during the previous editing session for the same project (which is therefore "virtually open") Howevever, I have recently noticed that this does not always happen. On several occasions, I have had to individually reopen files, after using the "Reopen project" (which currently lists 29 projects in its menu) This being said, I can now restate my question. -- is there a limit in the number of open tabs which can be remembered? (or in the number of virtually open projects between which one can smoothly navigate) -- can discontinuities [in remembering] be caused by the installation of a new build (or a new version)? Thanks for clarifications -- Jean-Luc https://twitter.com/JLC1956 https://univ-paris-diderot.academia.edu/JeanLucChevillard
-- is there a limit in the number of open tabs which can be remembered? (or in the number of virtually open projects between which one can smoothly navigate) There is no limit for the number of opened tabs that are remembered (we call it "*project editing state*"). Only one project is open at any given time, the rest are just history. Even if they are lost from the
Hello, What version of Oxygen are you using? Or are there multiple versions? project history their opened tabs are still remembered.
-- can discontinuities [in remembering] be caused by the installation of a new build (or a new version)? Yes, that is possible because of version changes. Since v21.0 the mechanism for keeping the project editing state has changed, a distinct file is used for each version of Oxygen. When updating versions (from an old version to a newer version) the project editing state of the older version is imported in the newer one the first time you run the new one. *If you go back to an old version (e.g. v21.0), you will not see any changes in project editing state made with the new version (e.g. v21.1).* Also, after the initial import (first time a new version is run), if you make changes with an older version (v21.0) in the project editing state, they will not be imported again when you start the newer version (v21.1).
Regards, Adrian Adrian Buza oXygen XML Editor and Author Support On 31.07.2019 11:42, Jean-Luc Chevillard wrote:
Dear members of the Oxygen support team and of the user group,
I have a question concerning the IMPERMANENCE of open tabs in Oxygen projects.
Mor precisely, I am currently working on several ancient texts, for which I am preparing electronic editions (in a progressively changing XML format) and each text has its own project.
When I exit Oxygen, I usually leave several tabs open in the currently open project, and I expect to find themselves still open when I restart Oxygen (and I can see that Oxygen reloads the open files, whih can take time because many files are bulky and contain complex structures with possibly tens of thousands of elements.
When I switch from one project to another one (using the "Reopen project" in the "Project" menu) I have also come to expect that I shall find the same open tabs as I had left open during the previous editing session for the same project (which is therefore "virtually open")
Howevever, I have recently noticed that this does not always happen.
On several occasions, I have had to individually reopen files, after using the "Reopen project" (which currently lists 29 projects in its menu)
This being said, I can now restate my question.
-- is there a limit in the number of open tabs which can be remembered? (or in the number of virtually open projects between which one can smoothly navigate) -- can discontinuities [in remembering] be caused by the installation of a new build (or a new version)?
Thanks for clarifications
-- Jean-Luc
https://univ-paris-diderot.academia.edu/JeanLucChevillard
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What version of Oxygen are you using? Or are there multiple versions?
Hello Adrian, Thank you for your answer. I am using the latest version (and also the latest build [which you announced on 19th july on this list]) but many of the tabs inside my (virtually) open projects were opened at the time when I was using the previous builds (or the previous versions). Oxygen has mostly behaved for me in the expected manner (as described by you) I have never lost open tabs information simply when alternating between 2 projects A and B But if I work successively on 5 projects, A, B, C. D and E I currently feel it is not guaranteed that the tabs in A will have always been preserved when I return from E to A (using "reopen project") I should add that I work on multilingual texts [with 50% of the content in Tamil script) which rely heavily on bidirectional support, and that when the size of my files grow, the time needed for switching between "Text Mode" and "Author mode" can become rather long (it can sometimes take 40 seconds for "computing the layout") The most acrobatic is of course when I occasionally have to edit (in text mode) a file which is beyond the limit where bidirectional support is disabled, because in any line containing Tamil I cannot rely on what I see on screen and have to edit BLINDLY, on the basis of what I know of the position where the cursor SHOULD BE ;-) Can progress be expected in that direction? (I have always hesitated to encourage my colleagues using the same environment as me because I cannot stomach the idea that they would find themselves stuck in a BLIND EDITING situation of the type that I have just described ... Nevertheless, Oxygen in a great software for me, which I use for several hours every day ;-) Best wishes -- Jean-Luc https://twitter.com/JLC1956 https://univ-paris-diderot.academia.edu/JeanLucChevillard On 01/08/2019 16:01, Oxygen XML Editor Support (Adrian Buza) wrote:
Hello,
What version of Oxygen are you using? Or are there multiple versions?
-- is there a limit in the number of open tabs which can be remembered? (or in the number of virtually open projects between which one can smoothly navigate) There is no limit for the number of opened tabs that are remembered (we call it "*project editing state*"). Only one project is open at any given time, the rest are just history. Even if they are lost from the project history their opened tabs are still remembered.
-- can discontinuities [in remembering] be caused by the installation of a new build (or a new version)? Yes, that is possible because of version changes. Since v21.0 the mechanism for keeping the project editing state has changed, a distinct file is used for each version of Oxygen. When updating versions (from an old version to a newer version) the project editing state of the older version is imported in the newer one the first time you run the new one. *If you go back to an old version (e.g. v21.0), you will not see any changes in project editing state made with the new version (e.g. v21.1).* Also, after the initial import (first time a new version is run), if you make changes with an older version (v21.0) in the project editing state, they will not be imported again when you start the newer version (v21.1).
Regards, Adrian Adrian Buza oXygen XML Editor and Author Support On 31.07.2019 11:42, Jean-Luc Chevillard wrote:
Dear members of the Oxygen support team and of the user group,
I have a question concerning the IMPERMANENCE of open tabs in Oxygen projects.
Mor precisely, I am currently working on several ancient texts, for which I am preparing electronic editions (in a progressively changing XML format) and each text has its own project.
When I exit Oxygen, I usually leave several tabs open in the currently open project, and I expect to find themselves still open when I restart Oxygen (and I can see that Oxygen reloads the open files, whih can take time because many files are bulky and contain complex structures with possibly tens of thousands of elements.
When I switch from one project to another one (using the "Reopen project" in the "Project" menu) I have also come to expect that I shall find the same open tabs as I had left open during the previous editing session for the same project (which is therefore "virtually open")
Howevever, I have recently noticed that this does not always happen.
On several occasions, I have had to individually reopen files, after using the "Reopen project" (which currently lists 29 projects in its menu)
This being said, I can now restate my question.
-- is there a limit in the number of open tabs which can be remembered? (or in the number of virtually open projects between which one can smoothly navigate) -- can discontinuities [in remembering] be caused by the installation of a new build (or a new version)?
Thanks for clarifications
-- Jean-Luc
https://univ-paris-diderot.academia.edu/JeanLucChevillard
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Hello,
But if I work successively on 5 projects, A, B, C. D and E I currently feel it is not guaranteed that the tabs in A will have always been preserved when I return from E to A (using "reopen project") AFAIK, if you are using the same version (build does not matter) and keep switching the project, the editing state will persist. If you do encounter the issue again, please contact us directly on our support email address, support@oxygenxml.com.
I should add that I work on multilingual texts [with 50% of the content in Tamil script) which rely heavily on bidirectional support,...
The most acrobatic is of course when I occasionally have to edit (in text mode) a file which is beyond the limit where bidirectional support is disabled, because in any line containing Tamil I cannot rely on what I see on screen and have to edit BLINDLY, on the basis of what I know of the position where the cursor SHOULD BE ;-)
Can progress be expected in that direction? We have considered rewriting the default Java BiDi support from Text mode, but unfortunately it is more complicated than initially anticipated to optimize someone else's code. This will be considered in
I would recommend trying to stick with the Author mode in such cases. The BiDi support for Author mode is implemented in house and has been optimized by our developers to work even with larger texts. If there's something not visible in Author mode, perhaps have an alternate CSS which can be easily switched within Author mode. The problem with BiDi support in Text mode is that it relies on the default Java support which has some performance issues once the document exceeds a certain size. This is the reason we enforce that size limit and disable the support once a threshold has been reached. The alternative would be to let the application slow down to a crawl. the long term. Regards, Adrian On 01.08.2019 19:34, Jean-Luc Chevillard wrote:
What version of Oxygen are you using? Or are there multiple versions?
Hello Adrian,
Thank you for your answer.
I am using the latest version (and also the latest build [which you announced on 19th july on this list]) but many of the tabs inside my (virtually) open projects were opened at the time when I was using the previous builds (or the previous versions).
Oxygen has mostly behaved for me in the expected manner (as described by you)
I have never lost open tabs information simply when alternating between 2 projects A and B
But if I work successively on 5 projects, A, B, C. D and E I currently feel it is not guaranteed that the tabs in A will have always been preserved when I return from E to A (using "reopen project")
I should add that I work on multilingual texts [with 50% of the content in Tamil script) which rely heavily on bidirectional support, and that when the size of my files grow, the time needed for switching between "Text Mode" and "Author mode" can become rather long (it can sometimes take 40 seconds for "computing the layout")
The most acrobatic is of course when I occasionally have to edit (in text mode) a file which is beyond the limit where bidirectional support is disabled, because in any line containing Tamil I cannot rely on what I see on screen and have to edit BLINDLY, on the basis of what I know of the position where the cursor SHOULD BE ;-)
Can progress be expected in that direction?
(I have always hesitated to encourage my colleagues using the same environment as me because I cannot stomach the idea that they would find themselves stuck in a BLIND EDITING situation of the type that I have just described ...
Nevertheless, Oxygen in a great software for me, which I use for several hours every day
;-)
Best wishes
-- Jean-Luc
https://univ-paris-diderot.academia.edu/JeanLucChevillard
On 01/08/2019 16:01, Oxygen XML Editor Support (Adrian Buza) wrote:
Hello,
What version of Oxygen are you using? Or are there multiple versions?
-- is there a limit in the number of open tabs which can be remembered? (or in the number of virtually open projects between which one can smoothly navigate) There is no limit for the number of opened tabs that are remembered (we call it "*project editing state*"). Only one project is open at any given time, the rest are just history. Even if they are lost from the project history their opened tabs are still remembered.
-- can discontinuities [in remembering] be caused by the installation of a new build (or a new version)? Yes, that is possible because of version changes. Since v21.0 the mechanism for keeping the project editing state has changed, a distinct file is used for each version of Oxygen. When updating versions (from an old version to a newer version) the project editing state of the older version is imported in the newer one the first time you run the new one. *If you go back to an old version (e.g. v21.0), you will not see any changes in project editing state made with the new version (e.g. v21.1).* Also, after the initial import (first time a new version is run), if you make changes with an older version (v21.0) in the project editing state, they will not be imported again when you start the newer version (v21.1).
Regards, Adrian Adrian Buza oXygen XML Editor and Author Support On 31.07.2019 11:42, Jean-Luc Chevillard wrote:
Dear members of the Oxygen support team and of the user group,
I have a question concerning the IMPERMANENCE of open tabs in Oxygen projects.
Mor precisely, I am currently working on several ancient texts, for which I am preparing electronic editions (in a progressively changing XML format) and each text has its own project.
When I exit Oxygen, I usually leave several tabs open in the currently open project, and I expect to find themselves still open when I restart Oxygen (and I can see that Oxygen reloads the open files, whih can take time because many files are bulky and contain complex structures with possibly tens of thousands of elements.
When I switch from one project to another one (using the "Reopen project" in the "Project" menu) I have also come to expect that I shall find the same open tabs as I had left open during the previous editing session for the same project (which is therefore "virtually open")
Howevever, I have recently noticed that this does not always happen.
On several occasions, I have had to individually reopen files, after using the "Reopen project" (which currently lists 29 projects in its menu)
This being said, I can now restate my question.
-- is there a limit in the number of open tabs which can be remembered? (or in the number of virtually open projects between which one can smoothly navigate) -- can discontinuities [in remembering] be caused by the installation of a new build (or a new version)?
Thanks for clarifications
-- Jean-Luc
https://univ-paris-diderot.academia.edu/JeanLucChevillard
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