"Job well done!" messages
Hi, Of course, the usual thing with XML processors when validating has been to give error messages for syntax or validation errors, but to be coyly silent when no errors are found. The user is left to infer that everything is good based on the fact that there are no complaints. oXygen improves this state of affairs by having a little box that lights up green when a document is valid, plus a line that says (with admirable clarity) "Document is valid". However, some users wish for more. They'd like a trumpet fanfare or something analogous. (Wouldn't we all?) In particular, I have some users who have asked if they can have their Schematron tell them when there are no errors. I have explained that they will probably have to be content with the green light, and I don't think this is too much to ask of them. But I am also wondering whether oXygen might have hooks somewhere that could be used to pop up an alert box or something, with a congratulatory message of some kind. (This is a case, of course, when having an explicit Schematron report test when "not($a or $b or $c)" won't work, since the number of tests is in the double or triple digits.) What are the ramifications here and what would it take for these users to get what they want? If this were all done inside a processing pipeline I could Schematron the results of my Schematron to run the test; but it's not; nor do they want it to be since of course they like the fact that their error messages have live links back to the documents. I am imagining some kind of facility that could be associated, for example, with a validation scenario. Cheers, Wendell ====================================================================== Wendell Piez mailto:wapiez@mulberrytech.com Mulberry Technologies, Inc. http://www.mulberrytech.com 17 West Jefferson Street Direct Phone: 301/315-9635 Suite 207 Phone: 301/315-9631 Rockville, MD 20850 Fax: 301/315-8285 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mulberry Technologies: A Consultancy Specializing in SGML and XML ======================================================================
Hi Wendell, There is no possibility to show a message when the validation ends. However, there are a few possibilities. We have an Information view that shows also messages for successful validation. You can enable that from Window->Show View->Information. The Schematron implementation from oXygen is available in [oXygen]/frameworks/schematron/impl. I believe you can change that to automatically trigger an info level message when the validation is successful. Then you should put all the files in a builtin folder and pack everything as a jar or a zip and put that inside oXygen/lib/endorsed (you need to create the endorsed folder). In this way you will overwrite the default Schematron implementation from oXygen. Do any of these help? Best Regards, George -- George Cristian Bina <oXygen/> XML Editor, Schema Editor and XSLT Editor/Debugger http://www.oxygenxml.com On 1/6/11 6:02 PM, Wendell Piez wrote:
Hi,
Of course, the usual thing with XML processors when validating has been to give error messages for syntax or validation errors, but to be coyly silent when no errors are found. The user is left to infer that everything is good based on the fact that there are no complaints.
oXygen improves this state of affairs by having a little box that lights up green when a document is valid, plus a line that says (with admirable clarity) "Document is valid".
However, some users wish for more. They'd like a trumpet fanfare or something analogous. (Wouldn't we all?)
In particular, I have some users who have asked if they can have their Schematron tell them when there are no errors. I have explained that they will probably have to be content with the green light, and I don't think this is too much to ask of them. But I am also wondering whether oXygen might have hooks somewhere that could be used to pop up an alert box or something, with a congratulatory message of some kind.
(This is a case, of course, when having an explicit Schematron report test when "not($a or $b or $c)" won't work, since the number of tests is in the double or triple digits.)
What are the ramifications here and what would it take for these users to get what they want? If this were all done inside a processing pipeline I could Schematron the results of my Schematron to run the test; but it's not; nor do they want it to be since of course they like the fact that their error messages have live links back to the documents.
I am imagining some kind of facility that could be associated, for example, with a validation scenario.
Cheers, Wendell
====================================================================== Wendell Piez mailto:wapiez@mulberrytech.com Mulberry Technologies, Inc. http://www.mulberrytech.com 17 West Jefferson Street Direct Phone: 301/315-9635 Suite 207 Phone: 301/315-9631 Rockville, MD 20850 Fax: 301/315-8285 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mulberry Technologies: A Consultancy Specializing in SGML and XML ====================================================================== _______________________________________________ oXygen-user mailing list oXygen-user@oxygenxml.com http://www.oxygenxml.com/mailman/listinfo/oxygen-user
And suggest yoga or psychotherapy to the users who need that much encouragement from their XML editor ;-) Hmm...in emacs you can do M-x doctor RET... David
-----Original Message----- From: oxygen-user-bounces@oxygenxml.com [mailto:oxygen-user- bounces@oxygenxml.com] On Behalf Of George Cristian Bina Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 4:26 AM To: Wendell Piez Cc: oxygen-user@oxygenxml.com Subject: Re: [oXygen-user] "Job well done!" messages
Hi Wendell,
There is no possibility to show a message when the validation ends. However, there are a few possibilities.
We have an Information view that shows also messages for successful validation. You can enable that from Window->Show View->Information.
The Schematron implementation from oXygen is available in [oXygen]/frameworks/schematron/impl. I believe you can change that to automatically trigger an info level message when the validation is successful. Then you should put all the files in a builtin folder and pack everything as a jar or a zip and put that inside oXygen/lib/endorsed (you need to create the endorsed folder). In this way you will overwrite the default Schematron implementation from oXygen.
Do any of these help?
Best Regards, George -- George Cristian Bina <oXygen/> XML Editor, Schema Editor and XSLT Editor/Debugger http://www.oxygenxml.com
Hi,
Of course, the usual thing with XML processors when validating has been to give error messages for syntax or validation errors, but to be coyly silent when no errors are found. The user is left to infer that everything is good based on the fact that there are no complaints.
oXygen improves this state of affairs by having a little box that
up green when a document is valid, plus a line that says (with admirable clarity) "Document is valid".
However, some users wish for more. They'd like a trumpet fanfare or something analogous. (Wouldn't we all?)
In particular, I have some users who have asked if they can have
Schematron tell them when there are no errors. I have explained that they will probably have to be content with the green light, and I don't think this is too much to ask of them. But I am also wondering whether oXygen might have hooks somewhere that could be used to pop up an alert box or something, with a congratulatory message of some kind.
(This is a case, of course, when having an explicit Schematron report test when "not($a or $b or $c)" won't work, since the number of tests is in the double or triple digits.)
What are the ramifications here and what would it take for these users to get what they want? If this were all done inside a processing pipeline I could Schematron the results of my Schematron to run the test; but it's not; nor do they want it to be since of course they
On 1/6/11 6:02 PM, Wendell Piez wrote: lights their like
the fact that their error messages have live links back to the documents.
I am imagining some kind of facility that could be associated, for example, with a validation scenario.
Cheers, Wendell
Wendell Piez mailto:wapiez@mulberrytech.com Mulberry Technologies, Inc. http://www.mulberrytech.com 17 West Jefferson Street Direct Phone: 301/315- 9635 Suite 207 Phone: 301/315- 9631 Rockville, MD 20850 Fax: 301/315- 8285 ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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Hi, If Eliza were in oXygen, she would truly never die. Cheers, Wendell On 1/12/2011 3:25 PM, Cramer, David W (David) wrote:
And suggest yoga or psychotherapy to the users who need that much encouragement from their XML editor ;-)
Hmm...in emacs you can do M-x doctor RET...
David
-----Original Message----- From: oxygen-user-bounces@oxygenxml.com [mailto:oxygen-user- bounces@oxygenxml.com] On Behalf Of George Cristian Bina Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 4:26 AM To: Wendell Piez Cc: oxygen-user@oxygenxml.com Subject: Re: [oXygen-user] "Job well done!" messages
Hi Wendell,
There is no possibility to show a message when the validation ends. However, there are a few possibilities.
We have an Information view that shows also messages for successful validation. You can enable that from Window->Show View->Information.
The Schematron implementation from oXygen is available in [oXygen]/frameworks/schematron/impl. I believe you can change that to automatically trigger an info level message when the validation is successful. Then you should put all the files in a builtin folder and pack everything as a jar or a zip and put that inside oXygen/lib/endorsed (you need to create the endorsed folder). In this way you will overwrite the default Schematron implementation from oXygen.
Do any of these help?
Best Regards, George -- George Cristian Bina <oXygen/> XML Editor, Schema Editor and XSLT Editor/Debugger http://www.oxygenxml.com
Hi,
Of course, the usual thing with XML processors when validating has been to give error messages for syntax or validation errors, but to be coyly silent when no errors are found. The user is left to infer that everything is good based on the fact that there are no complaints.
oXygen improves this state of affairs by having a little box that
up green when a document is valid, plus a line that says (with admirable clarity) "Document is valid".
However, some users wish for more. They'd like a trumpet fanfare or something analogous. (Wouldn't we all?)
In particular, I have some users who have asked if they can have
Schematron tell them when there are no errors. I have explained that they will probably have to be content with the green light, and I don't think this is too much to ask of them. But I am also wondering whether oXygen might have hooks somewhere that could be used to pop up an alert box or something, with a congratulatory message of some kind.
(This is a case, of course, when having an explicit Schematron report test when "not($a or $b or $c)" won't work, since the number of tests is in the double or triple digits.)
What are the ramifications here and what would it take for these users to get what they want? If this were all done inside a processing pipeline I could Schematron the results of my Schematron to run the test; but it's not; nor do they want it to be since of course they
On 1/6/11 6:02 PM, Wendell Piez wrote: lights their like
the fact that their error messages have live links back to the documents.
I am imagining some kind of facility that could be associated, for example, with a validation scenario.
-- ====================================================================== Wendell Piez mailto:wapiez@mulberrytech.com Mulberry Technologies, Inc. http://www.mulberrytech.com 17 West Jefferson Street Direct Phone: 301/315-9635 Suite 207 Phone: 301/315-9631 Rockville, MD 20850 Fax: 301/315-8285 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mulberry Technologies: A Consultancy Specializing in SGML and XML ======================================================================
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