Lobbying for a new feature to save on indentation
Fellow oXygen users, I've just learned that a request for a new feature I made long ago is getting stale because not enough people have expressed an interest in having it added to the software. Perhaps this is because people haven't considered how helpful it might be, so I thought I would lobby here that if you like the idea of this feature you might vote for it as well. In all my SGML and XML editing it has been my preference to keep children of the document element un-indented and flush left, starting the indentation only with the grandchildren of the document element. I see no utility in indenting the children of the document element since it is unambiguous if an element at the left edge is a document element or not: if there is element or text content before the start tag or after the end tag, then the element must not be the document element. It may not sound like saving one indent is a lot, but consider the file size since that one indent is saved on *every* line. Also, it saves one indent for those of our files (in particular the XSL-FO files I review by eye to debug) are indented way over to the wrap position. The software currently indents children of the document element using the preference for indent width ... I suggest a new preference checkbox (by default set one way or the other to preserve existing behaviour), where the user can indicate the preference such that indentation starts with descendants of children of the document element, thus putting those children of the document element at column 1 of the line. I'll let the software designers decide what wording to use and whether the box is checked or not as the default to preserve existing behaviour. Please send your interest to <support@oxygenxml.com> rather than to this mail list, so that it gets properly recorded and doesn't clog up threads here. Thanks for listening! . . . . . . . . . Ken -- Public XSLT, XSL-FO, UBL & code list classes: Melbourne, AU May 2014 | Contact us for world-wide XML consulting and instructor-led training | Free 5-hour lecture: http://www.CraneSoftwrights.com/links/udemy.htm | Crane Softwrights Ltd. http://www.CraneSoftwrights.com/m/ | G. Ken Holman mailto:gkholman@CraneSoftwrights.com | Google+ profile: http://plus.google.com/+GKenHolman-Crane/about | Legal business disclaimers: http://www.CraneSoftwrights.com/legal | --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Anyone else seeing long opening times? I've got a user who says: === I noticed recently that Oxygen 15 takes more and more time to open and display the Welcome screen and/or the usual framework. That can last for over 2-3 minutes. Then, it also happens that some standard xml files take very long to open and display - from time to time I simply have to stop the application and reload it. Is there some sort of cache cleaning operation that I should apply to solve this? Found nothing about that in the WG. Finally, Oxygen reports no error about these hanging situation. === He's using Win7. I'm using WinXP, I also thought Oxy 15 was taking a long time to open, but when I timed it on my machine, it's only taking 1 minute, and then if I close it and reopen it, it only takes 20 seconds, so I assume it's benefiting from caching of recently loaded items. Any advice? --Aaron DaMommio, Alcatel-Lucent
+1 for such option I use such layout for XSLT files and it takes too much manual tweaking to preserve such indentation when editing in oXygen. Jirka On Sat, Mar 1, 2014, at 14:32, G. Ken Holman wrote:
Fellow oXygen users,
I've just learned that a request for a new feature I made long ago is getting stale because not enough people have expressed an interest in having it added to the software.
Perhaps this is because people haven't considered how helpful it might be, so I thought I would lobby here that if you like the idea of this feature you might vote for it as well.
In all my SGML and XML editing it has been my preference to keep children of the document element un-indented and flush left, starting the indentation only with the grandchildren of the document element. I see no utility in indenting the children of the document element since it is unambiguous if an element at the left edge is a document element or not: if there is element or text content before the start tag or after the end tag, then the element must not be the document element.
It may not sound like saving one indent is a lot, but consider the file size since that one indent is saved on *every* line. Also, it saves one indent for those of our files (in particular the XSL-FO files I review by eye to debug) are indented way over to the wrap position.
The software currently indents children of the document element using the preference for indent width ... I suggest a new preference checkbox (by default set one way or the other to preserve existing behaviour), where the user can indicate the preference such that indentation starts with descendants of children of the document element, thus putting those children of the document element at column 1 of the line. I'll let the software designers decide what wording to use and whether the box is checked or not as the default to preserve existing behaviour.
Please send your interest to <support@oxygenxml.com> rather than to this mail list, so that it gets properly recorded and doesn't clog up threads here.
Thanks for listening!
. . . . . . . . . Ken
-- Public XSLT, XSL-FO, UBL & code list classes: Melbourne, AU May 2014 | Contact us for world-wide XML consulting and instructor-led training | Free 5-hour lecture: http://www.CraneSoftwrights.com/links/udemy.htm | Crane Softwrights Ltd. http://www.CraneSoftwrights.com/m/ | G. Ken Holman mailto:gkholman@CraneSoftwrights.com | Google+ profile: http://plus.google.com/+GKenHolman-Crane/about | Legal business disclaimers: http://www.CraneSoftwrights.com/legal |
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This should be a Guild[*] problem Same here +1 Xmlizer [*] http://xmlguild.org 2014-03-14 8:38 GMT+01:00 Jirka Kosek <jirka@kosek.cz>:
+1 for such option
I use such layout for XSLT files and it takes too much manual tweaking to preserve such indentation when editing in oXygen.
Jirka
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014, at 14:32, G. Ken Holman wrote:
Fellow oXygen users,
I've just learned that a request for a new feature I made long ago is getting stale because not enough people have expressed an interest in having it added to the software.
Perhaps this is because people haven't considered how helpful it might be, so I thought I would lobby here that if you like the idea of this feature you might vote for it as well.
In all my SGML and XML editing it has been my preference to keep children of the document element un-indented and flush left, starting the indentation only with the grandchildren of the document element. I see no utility in indenting the children of the document element since it is unambiguous if an element at the left edge is a document element or not: if there is element or text content before the start tag or after the end tag, then the element must not be the document element.
It may not sound like saving one indent is a lot, but consider the file size since that one indent is saved on *every* line. Also, it saves one indent for those of our files (in particular the XSL-FO files I review by eye to debug) are indented way over to the wrap position.
The software currently indents children of the document element using the preference for indent width ... I suggest a new preference checkbox (by default set one way or the other to preserve existing behaviour), where the user can indicate the preference such that indentation starts with descendants of children of the document element, thus putting those children of the document element at column 1 of the line. I'll let the software designers decide what wording to use and whether the box is checked or not as the default to preserve existing behaviour.
Please send your interest to <support@oxygenxml.com> rather than to this mail list, so that it gets properly recorded and doesn't clog up threads here.
Thanks for listening!
. . . . . . . . . Ken
-- Public XSLT, XSL-FO, UBL & code list classes: Melbourne, AU May 2014 | Contact us for world-wide XML consulting and instructor-led training | Free 5-hour lecture: http://www.CraneSoftwrights.com/links/udemy.htm | Crane Softwrights Ltd. http://www.CraneSoftwrights.com/m/ | G. Ken Holman mailto:gkholman@CraneSoftwrights.com | Google+ profile: http://plus.google.com/+GKenHolman-Crane/about | Legal business disclaimers: http://www.CraneSoftwrights.com/legal |
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